Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. This guy is great value!! As if FOTA needed any more reasons to leave. This could well be the coup de gras!!

Why would they want the FIA back, after the way they've been treated by them and FOM? Besides, they've got the best motorsport class now - MotoGP - and they're likely to land the breakaway series. What possibly could 'max's group' offer them?

Challenge360 - what have you been 'smoke'ing? The same paranoia inducing stuff that Alonso did when he was at McLaren??! LOL!

This is a bit like signing a credit agreement with a loan shark - "sign here for now and we'll negotiate the rate later on". He must think people are stupid. Once they've signed he'll stand for the presidency again - even though he said he wouldn't when grovelling for votes of confidence during his whipping saga - and then make the FOTA teams suffer. I hope they don't cave in to this blatent blackmail.

It makes you wonder what purpose this guy serves, now that Ferrari have fallen out with the FIAsco.....

Having watched yesterdays MotoGP it amazes me that F1 has any fanbase at all.

Now here's one for the mclaren haters, is hamiltons car really that bad, or is it because he and kovi clearly have no idea how to set it up?!

So let's get this straight. Max can change the rules for the following year without consultation but FOTA can only change them if they sign up unconditionally to the new rules they are challenging?? What kind of system is this? The letter from Max is nothing more than blackmail, to get the teams to sign up to his rules. I'll bet good money that he has no intention of changing them in a way FOTA want. And why is it always Mosley?? Is the FIA a one man band?? It's time FOTA fined MM $100m for continually bringing the sport into disrepute!

See deepwater, I do actually agree that the principle of Max's idea is sound and necessary but the way he's gone about it - non consultation with the teams and a behind closed doors WMSC meeting, followed by threats and thinly disguised blackmail - suggests the man is at fault for this mess. And just how much is all this high horse posturing costing (and ultimately will cost to F1), just because he wants to show FOTA who's boss? Hardly saving money is it?! My real point was your incessant defending of a corrupt man. I just don't get it.

Well there's a surprise - Deepwater330 defending Max. Presictable as usual I see....!

It's just mind boggling, the amount of pure garbage some of you so called race fans come out with. This sport is dead and buried and has been for some time. Funny tho, how Christian Horner has an opinion on everything now his team have a race winning car. He's almost as bad as Max and Flav....

There's me thinking that the rain and safety car start might have been the possible reason why people didn't pit when the experts predicted they would....

Sounds good to me. Copy the design, then get Brawn to pay for it too! What planet is Flav on??! I guess now that RedBull have won a race he'll be calling for Renault to supply them with sub standard engines from now on too....

Yep, I think Hamilton is vying for massa's pirouet queen title. Not so much a rain meister as a dancing on ice meister.....

And people say Hamilton can't drive a bad car, I guess we're starting to learn the truth about last seasons top drivers.... And robson. Do you have any idea how contradictory your posts have been this season? You could almost be mistaken as a mclaren fan, your excuses for Ferrari's bad form are so similar to last year! I love it!!!!

Mario, sack your designers and stop whinging. 3 teams managed to outsmart all the others, that's all this is really about. The fact that you spent most of last seasons working on your new car with a different interpretation of this rule means that you've already wasted your money, any spend from now on can only be classed as investment. I'm sure Robert is thrilled that you ruined his title charge by betting on the wrong donkey!!

Hmmm, toyota were so confident that they designed another diffuser 'just in case' and took it to Oz... Now that's confidence!! (And too much money)

All the whingers dropped the ball, simple as that, including the prancing donkeys with all their FIA assistance. The right decision was made so now we can all go racing on a track and not the courtroom. Oh, no we can't, we've got to wait for the mclaren witch hunt to finish.... Still, I'll look forward to seeing how robsons loveboys can screw up this weekend in the meantime!

Instead of whinging about it the poor losers would have been better off copying the diffusers and shutting up. I'm afraid that complaining about the cost of redesign but paying top whack for legal representation is a really contradictory gesture. But then we all know the red cheats prefer to win in a courtroom rather than on track, I guess the other whingers thought they'd try that tactic too!

Well said Rocket, couldn't have put it better myself.

Well, the good news for us real racing fans is that the MotoGP season has now started. This F1, masquerading as the premier motor sport, is nothing more than a joke.

Maybe the other teams asked McLaren not to contribute in order to give the appeal a better chance? If they show their verbal support then the FIAsco will almost certainly go against them so it's in the other teams best interests to stop them from speaking out...

Baldie - you beat me to it. Now that the Moto GP season is starting there's no more need to tune in to this joke of a sport. So long suckers!

Well well, Michelle Foster writing something anti Hamilton. I am surprised..... Not!! I guess you're in the editorial team to balance out Andrew Davies then huh??!

Redballs - I think you've got it wrong. Race control are there for that very reason, to answer questions during the race and ensure the rules are adhered to. One thing you did get right though was that McLaren should have known better than to trust CW.... And Bernie - nobody cares what you think any more. If you think MW should go because of this then you should have gone a long time ago.

Never mind, lewis scrapped his way up to third in the race last weekend so I'm sure it's not all that bad!! Oh, I forgot, massa can't overtake....

What was wrong with toyota's pit crew talking to mclarens pit crew? Hamilton is hardly going to pass trulli without clarification is he? Especially with his record of run Ins with the FIA. Why can't they all just go racing, like the good old days? There's far too much needle between the drivers and FIA.....

gstar171. I'm not sure you watched the same coverage the rest of us did! EU looked really uncomfortable throughout, he clearly wanted to be elsewhere and, when he did open his mouth it was either drivel or an attempt to gobble the publicity sealing Branson. He had better shape up in the coming races or people will turn over when he's on...

Legard and Jordan were really disappointing and ruined otherwise excellent coverage. Totally agree about Lee Mackenzie, we need to see slot more of her in the future!!

Of course,I don't believe the diffusers are illegal but if the sour losers win their appeal it means that Hamilton wins!! Sweet....!

Ah Daytona. Shall we get you a hotline to max so you can set them all straight? I'm sure theyll listen to you over the stewards, idiot. The years of Ferrari getting it all their own way are over my friend, get used to it.

You have to agree that Brawn are benefiting from such focused development whereas mclaren and Ferrari are paying the price of last years challenge. Its a shame that Honda showed their true colours too soon. The difference between the red and silver teams is probably due to the impact of the unfair fine on mcmerc and the unfair bung that Ferrari get...

So what about the years of Ferrari domination? I suppose that was ok was it filipe?? Don't worry tho, your mates at the FIAsco will help you out. Otherwise stop whinging and do a better job you big girl!!

Get a grip sydjed, just cos your beloved red team (the biggest cheats of all time) are getting a pasting! They are all legal so get over it. I'm glad to see new teams fighting it out instead of the usual suspects.

It's just not that clear cut is it. If the other teams had time to develop and test a similar diffuser then they wouldn't be complaining. I thought the FIA had given them the all clear too, so if flav and dommi hold a protest they should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute. Looks like another season of Farcical 1.......

With a ¿30 million cap they won't be able to afford him anyway. Plus Alonswho will want a subservient team mate and Massa fits that bill better...

Why is this a surprise? We all know it's only max's opinion that counts and he's always right. Isn't that the way the FIAsco has operated for the past decade?

Why is this a surprise? We all know it's only max's opinion that counts and he's always right. Isn't that the way the FIAsco has operated for the past decade?

When McLaren were penalised last year they actually saw being last in the pitlane as an advantage as you can drive straight out. To the extent that they were moved up a bit I believe? Brawn will be quite happy with this position.

Why are Ferrari complaining? By my calculation if they accept the 30 million cap they'll be 20 million up and that's without spending a penny of their own cash, just by using Bernies bribe money!

I guess that as they will all win points too they can abandon this universally condemned idea at any time, if the season does pan out as many expect? Max and paddy just want to be in charge, bless them!!

So what rules will they relax for the capped teams? Horsepower, aero? Just buy one of last years cars and run that on slicks. The truth is that teams will still be bound by the current restrictions so I can't see how it will work. No doubt max has got it all carefully scoped out.....

It's pointless saying otherwise really. All the top team drivers would have tackled the racing differently and you'd like to think the Ferrari fan club might have been a bit less obvious with their decisions too. It also might have stopped the whinging from girls like kubica about hamiltons aggressive driving. Hopefully this new rule will give the rest of them some balls!!

No doubt Brawn are only there to run their illegal car in an attempt to win sponsers, eh robson?

Just how is this car running illegally then robson? Got some info on them have you or are you basing it on it being a brawn car and he never designed a legal car when at Ferrari? Just face it, they are quicker than your precious prancing donkeys straight out of the box so stop posting your idiotic, childish comments and grow up.

Nothing to do with the fact they've been in the championship much longer than any other team then robson? If you take the championships to years ratio (or race wins to years) then your beloved red team aren't as successful as you like to believe.

Well, the engine's not the problem, as BrawnGP have proven. Once they've got to grips with the aero problems, if there truly are any, then bye bye Ferrari and BMW. It'll be a straight fight between the merc powered mclaren and brawn! Bring it on!!

Donbolivar- BAR was also a strong team. Erm, not the one I remember...!

Why are so many people harping on about the Brawn GP car running on fumes? Can you not read? Either that or it can do 20 lap stints on fumes. This car is for real so you Ferrari fans have alot to be worried about. And with the merc engine proving to have the power I believe it's only a matter of time before mclaren work out the aero and make it a 2 horse race. Just not a prancing one!

Sorry, has the championship started and finished already? I must have missed where any of this preseason stuff is of any use to anyone other than the teams themselves. If come Europe and McLaren are languishing at the back of the grid I'll be prepared to write them off but being the winter test champion means diddly. Always has, always will.

Of course he is Ross, that's why the team has been on a downward spiral since he ousted Dave Richards. Don't expect the names Nick Fry and Brawn GP to be used in the same sentence for too much longer....

Yes wraith, all hail Kimi, the 2009 winter testing champion!! And what a champ!! Don't get too over excited, your boyfriend's got to get through the season without getting bored yet, and we all know how good he is at that.

So, having a majority stake in the team doesn't qualify them as a manufacturer, just a supplier. I'm sure the big cheese at Benz is thrilled! Besides, this is exactly what Max wanted - cheap, customer engines. Where's the problem? Ferrari are too tight and scared to help out their past saviour in case he beats them with their own engine. I guess it shows their true colour is yellow, not red! LOL!!

So how did Ferrari get away with supplying more that 1 other team? Oh yes, stupid question, they are waiting for FIA approval. Something Ferrari don't have a problem with!

Hmmm, nigel mansell quoted in the sun newspaper..... I can't believe they even used the word 'credible' in the same article!

Oh well fillipe, whatever helps you sleep at night.... The worlds best 15 second champion.

Yawn......

Blimey, he's gained 8 years in 2 consecutive articles and he's only been in the job 2 days!! At this rate he'll be dead and buried by the end of the week!

So if Charlie has clarified the rule does that mean that the opposite will apply??

Well, it couldn't be much worse than his first, could it? He inherited a good car so the teams mistakes fall firmly on his shoulders.

That's because they go through the max endorsed, compulsory FIA lobotomy in order to qualify for their super license. They're not even allowed to overtake, let alone bump into another car so quite why niki laura is surprised at this is beyond me....

Hmm, sounds like Lewis Hamilton after the 2007 season... Are Ferrari copying McLaren for once??!

ilAlfisto, he's buying if for one pound. Now I don't know for certain but I think they're after a little more for STR without the facilities that come with the Honda team!

Bernie's been threatening to pull the British GP for years as a lever to either get Silverstone to invest, the government to invest or for another British track to invest. All his threats have now paid off because he managed to get the latter. But make no mistake, if Donnington hadn't stepped up then it would certainly have 'provisionally' remained at Silverstone, not removed altogether. However, it looks like he might be eating some humble pie in the not so distant future by setting Donnington such a sporty target...

This has got to be good news if it works out. Get rid of the perennial underachiever Nick Fry too and they might actually start making progress under Sir Rich's management!!

Sensible man and with FOTA now established this really could happen... Ditch the FIA as well and it might even be worth watching again!! I guess we'll now see more of Bern and Max squirming about trying to rubbish this suggestion?

As far as the McLaren goes there are a few other things to consider: Is the Macca severe on its tyres because of the increased downforce in the 2008 spec rear wing? Probably. Are they keeping the 2009 spec wing under wraps because they have a 'unique' design and don't want it copied ahead of the first race? Maybe. Is the 2008 spec rear wing really that much of an advantage to a car that isn't really balanced around it? Who knows (apart from McLaren and all the armchair experts who obviously think it is). Does testing with a 2008 wing mean they are in trouble? I doubt it. In reality (and I've said it before) none of the winter testing means anything to anyone other than the teams that know the configurations they are running. Sure, topping the timesheets on the last run of the day with an empty tank means nothing either but it scores a phsycological advantage. Lets see what happens in Australia before making wild predictions...

It would be a massive loss to the sport and RedBull

Not everyone in F1 is a millionaire and not everyone in F1 lives as a tax exile. And not everyone in F1 leads a fully funded, tax free lifestyle like Max under the guise of an unpaid job!

So what if Hammy was running a 2008 spec wing? There's more to the 2009 spec cars than the rear diffuser so it's hardly a waste of their time, except some of you don't like the way it's reported. I do agree that the STR testing seams pointless but it makes them feel better about themselves, so that's lovely.

Ladies, ladies, I love the way some of you are wetting your pants at these test times. Get over it, they all mean DIDDLY until the green light at the first race. For those of you blinded by your love of one team or the other, all of the 2009 cars will be different by the time they reach Australia so in reality none of the teams are running full 2009 spec. The only meaningless testing out there is the FULL 2008 spec STR.

Yes wraith, that's convincing, 0.1s faster than a Toyota. I bet they've cleared space in the trophy cabinet already....!

If he'd changed his name to Sebastien Sato it would have been a different story.....

The guy likes bikes, you can't blame him for that. The fact that he seems inable to keep them upright suggests that he is better suited to 4 wheels and should leave bike racing to the professionals but you can't knock him for trying. After all, he can afford it after years of fleecing Ferrari!!

He really does like the sound of his own voice at the moment, doesn't he? Come on Max, let someone else have a chance to speak!!

If it's as quick as it looks we can expect to see a revised Ferrari and Renault by the time the cars hit Australia...?! It'll still be hindered by a below par Renault engine though so I doubt we'll see it's full potential until the reds have pinched a few of the designs.

Well, Max and Fernando definately have all the headlines wrapped up this past couple of weeks. What's the next fantastic revelation from these two?

Why does Max have so much to say at the moment? Since he won his court case he's had an opinion on absolutely everything and appears to speak to anyone that looks remotely like a journo. Anyone would have thought that he was deliberately looking for publicity so that he can go against his word and plump for re election. Oh, wait a minute.....

Ben84 - you're wasting your time. I think you'll find that going by all the pro MM comments he comes out with Deepwater IS Max Mosley....

Because their form so far in winter testing suggests that they can compete with everyone else... NOT! Unless Alonso gives them that magical 0.5 seconds he keeps boasting about they have no hope of a win unless they get lucky like last year. Or maybe he's had so much smoke blown up him by flav and pat that he actually believes he can do it....

How can anyone believe a work this guy ever says? He obviously says things just to get his way and isn't afraid to go back on it at a later date if he needs to. Why can't he just get lost??? Anyway, having no knowledge of F1 or the FIA hasn't hurt him in the past so his vieled insult is a bit hypocritical. But maybe Sir Jackie should watch his back ar at least ask Ron what it's like to be on the end of a Mosley grudge. God I hate Max Mosley....

Hamilton had better learn to look after his tyres a bit better then....

Well that's one way to pile the pressure on your drivers Mario. And what if they fail to hit your year 4 objectives? Kubica did well last year but his race win (year 3 objective) was nothing more than a gift thanks to Hamiltons pitlane blindness. They didn't look like winning another on their own merit. But I guess that gift ticked the right box....

Challenge360 - have you only watched one season of F1?

Somethings not right with this bloke. He can get the big salaries but can't hold the job. I doubt he really is as good as his hype, a couple of good cars doesn't make him a genious and he's been sacked from his last 2 positions. I don't see Newey ever being jobless like this fella.

I wonder if they'll supply full power KERS or a reduced power version, like the engines they supply....?

I love it! Who cares about flavs lovechild and ex champ? They deserve each other, so here's to many years of mid field bliss for the whinging spaniard!! And when a driver gets beaten by his team mate regularly on equal terms he's hardly going to say it was his fault, is he? It's easier to call the favouritism card than accept your team mate is better (unless you drive a Ferrari alongside MS that is).

Yes gilgen. Read the article again hithout your anti Hamilton bias and perhaps you might see he said it applies to all teams, muppet.

Spot on. And I guess that goes for you too then Jean (Todt).

I'm not being funny but isn't this money laundering? Give money as prize money for points won, take money in fees for points won? Madness. And as for paying for all the improvements, the teams and track owners have had to fork out for the FIA safety regs, not the FIA. If Max wants transparancy of salaries to justify the superlicense costs let's also see his full expenses for his unpaid job shall we? It'll never happen!

Hasn't he missed the point? The slicks have been brought back to give more mechanical grip to enable more slipstreaming and slingshotting. It's a bit worrying when a driver doesn't understand the basics. Time will tell if they got it right or not but it should all be better in theory....

All British, but only one has been knighted. I think this scoring is pretty accurate but is a bit depressing when both of these wasters show no signs of retiring. It also shows that contributions to the country get rewarded, contributions to yourself don't. If Max and Bern had done anything worthwhile for anyone but themselves we wouldn't have only 1 Knight of the realm in this list.

Massa gives himself an 8 but the FIA will make that a 10 for him!! Nice to see the Ferrari propaganda team are scripting their driver statements as usual....

Oh come on, none of the teams are running with the cars that will be on the grid in March so this means diddly. And Ferrari have publicly stated that the F60 will be largely different by the time the first race starts so this is nothing more than Toyota trying to join in the playground fights that go on between the top teams. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Ferrari with illegal parts in Australia - to see what punishment they get or if they can still get away with it (flexible floors anyone??!).... ;-)

Sandbagging.

Err, Inkymaame, Ferrari finished 2007 with more points than McLaren courtesy of the Brazil 1-2 so even if they hadn't been disqualified they would have lost to the cheating Red team. I do believe that the FIA witch hunt destabilised the team enough to have cost them both titles. F1 will really miss RD and it'll be one less thing for the fanatics to whinge about.

All they need is a couple of drivers that can actually help develop a race winning car and are capable of winning races. I do hope Howett isn't serious, that they need a win to stay in F1, as with the 1 lap wonder and the unremarkable Timo as their drivers I can't really see them winning this year....

LOL @ robson! Based on looks alone I'd bet FIArrari are crapping their scarlet pants, and wishing they'd kept their dog under wraps til they'd had a chance to poach some design ideas.

Spot on nerdace. If he had more than 1 good lap in him I'd give him a little more credibility. But he doesn't, so I won't! And I'm sure that'll bother him...!

I'm glad this has come up, it can't have been in the headlines for at least a week and I was beginning to think there were better things to keep repeating...!! B-O-R-I-N-G. WHO REALLY CARES WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN???

Well, I guess this is one way to get a standardised engine and gearbox into F1. I wonder how much Max has had to do with this.....

It's quite simple. If he stays he gets to keep his enormous salary as Honda have to honour the contract or give substantial compensation. If he goes to STR he will get to drive in F1 for another year without the big bucks. Which would you opt for? A year on the French riviera with £25m or a year driving an F1 car at the back of the grid?

Sorry we upset your superior intelect Spode, but where's your sense of humour?? Or are you. Ferrari fan disguised as a do-gooder?? There's loads more mileage in the 2008 result so don't expect too much respect for that comment any time soon!

So what's the championships entered/win ratio then? I'll tell you before you get all carried away with how successful the red team are. Ferrari have a 25% success rate but if McLaren have 3 less titles (12) in 40 years of competition they have a 33% success rate..... Who are the losers now???

I love it that PF1 can't mention Massa without pointing out that he was the RUNNER UP last year!! That's gotta hurt some of you guys (eh robson??!)? Let's just put it down to PF1's obvious bias towards Lewis Hamilton shall we, maybe that'll make you fanatics feel better about your loss??!!!

Didn't he try rallying last year at Spa? From what I remember he wasn't that good at it....!

Max must be so proud that he's managed to make the new cars look more ridiculous than he does. It just looks stupid, but at least the stupid looks of this particular car match it's pit crew!! Let's hope they have a good shakedown with last years RUNNER UP! Did you get that robson, RUNNER UP!!

Yeah, maybe he will. But then, it is the season for flying pigs. I guess we'll see who's in the running after the first few races.

Some of you must think that Honda is the bargain of the century. If it was such a thing then it would have been snapped up by now, not still up for sale. Richards would have bought if he thought it was viable - he's got enough middle eastern backers behind him - but he doesn't want to. That doesn't make him a tyre kicker, just clever enough to know when to walk away. Besides, he's got enough on his plate keeping Aston Martin going through '09 to worry about Farcical1...

Well, Ferrari aren't launching their new challenger next week, are they, it will be quite different to the one they intend to race with? So it's just a launch for the sake of the sponsers. Maybe RedBull are keeping their car under wraps for longer to stop every other team from pinching and testing all of Newey's ideas before the start of the season, like they did last year???? Besides, not launching yet doesn't exactly stop them from testing certain parts for reliability, does it? I think AD has too much time on his hands. Either that or he has a target of 2 editorials to meet, regardless of content....!

Don't be silly, robson isn't an Aussie, if you can believe a word of what he writes he's an ex-pat Brit with big grudges against his homeland. I think that maybe he was deported or something? On a convict ship perhaps?? Might explain his constant Brit bashing!!But it's obvious that he dreams of being an Aussie though, as much as he dreams for owning a Ferrari and Massa winning the WDC. Dream on!!

Well, I guess kerbing unnecessary spending doesn't apply to the Scuds then? I suppose that with the extra $80 million they received from Uncle Bernie last year they can afford to optimise it so that it works properly this time.....? They must really think it has some benefits apart from giving us all added entertainment and keeping the local hospitals busy on race weekends.

Thanks for clarifying that for me timem1 - I'm not sure why you saw it necessary to change my name as i dont remember insulting you but given your other posts you appear to have the same intellect as robson so I'll ignore it. Anyway, stay bitter and twisted about the single point win if you like but unfortunately for you it seams a win is a win, as it was for kimi the year before, it really doesnt matter whether it's 1 point or 50. It remains to be seen if Hamilton will dominate like Schumacher but at least he's made a start.

Graining - Thanks for your concern but I think you've got me wrong. I'm not a Lewis fan, though as a Brit I was pleased he won the title. I just despise Ferrari and everything they do, and I like baiting the faithful as that's more sport than there currently is in F1. I will 'clam' down in the future though!!

I don't have issues with his private life. You can play with the words if you like, whether he was actually set up or if one of his girls wanted to cash in is still yet to be revealed, but he was still caught in the act which has made the whole thing very public. As the head of a major, public facing organisation he should have been instantly replaced. But there I go again, obsessing about his not so private life.... I don't disagree that he has achieved a great deal but the current state of F1 isn't soley Bernies doing. Rather than go back on his word yet again it is time he stood down and let fresh blood step in and take F1 to the next stage. But then he's so arrogant as to think that there's no one better... I rest my case.

timem1 - that'll be the same 1 point that kimi won his one championship by then?

Oh dear ClarkeSmith, it looks like your humour is too much for the puny brains of the ferrari fans. Lewisisoverrated - get over it you loser! Last season is now HISTORY. Lewis won and is in the record books as 2008 WDC, the continual whinging by you idiots about Singapore, glock, mechanics, etc is now BORING!! Go see a therapist if you really can't handle it. As for next year, let's see who has a competitive car before making wild predictions about next years champion. Let's all enjoy ferrari's failings a little longer first!!. Anyway, for all we know Honda might have the best car if they ever make it to the grid. Until Ferrari get a chance to copy all the best bits from their opponents I wouldn't bet on them being competitive.

This guy's a nob, he's saying this because he's in one of the best cars on the grid and he would have 'won' this year if it had been in place. He wouldn't think it if he was in a Renault or RedBull, would he? But don't worry flip-aye, papa massa still thinks you're good enough to have another shot even if the rest of the world knows you blew your best chance!!!

Deepwater - you appear to be allowing your deep rooted love for Max give you ammunition to slag off PF1 again! You sure you weren't in that Chelsea dungeon too? You are most definately in a minority of people that actually admire Mr Whiplash and openly admit it. The truth is that Max has taken dictatorship to a whole new level. Yes, the racing is safer but the whole F1 experience is now sterile and flat and that is his true legacy. He has too many personal adgendas to be the boss of the FIA and needs to allow fresh blood to take over or he will totally destroy it. Also, it is fact that he said he would step down at the end of this term if he was given the nod to gain some votes in that farce that was his 'vote of confidence', he is now massively back-tracking. How can anyone take him seriously???! I really don't care if he likes to be spanked in private but he was caught doing it. As the head of a major organisation and a person that likes to be in the spotlight at every possible opportunity his character deserves to be assassinated by the journalists.

Gilgen - whilst I actually agree with most of your comments on this you let yourself down badly with your statement about Hamilton being a dangerous driver. Yes, they do appear to just dish gongs out to the people that make the headlines and I think they've been a little premature with the MBE given to LH, but to say he's dangerous just underlines how sterile F1 has become. He 'races', whereas the others just parade. Don't slate him for making those Sunday afternoons marginally less boring!

Who cares? If it happens, it happens and they'll deserve each other. I bet all the other drivers and teams are quaking in their boots at this super-dooper pairing! But 2 years is a long time in F1 - Renault might not even last the year yet - so who's to say he'll still be wanted by then? As for his alledged 'contract with get out clauses for both sides', is that really a contract at all? Doesn't show much faith from either camp (if this recirculating rumour ever turns out to be true....).

What's the matter with this guy? He's as obsessed with being quoted as the idiot robson. Of course he wants it delayed. They're well behind and as he's bitten the hand that feeds him he now thinks that he won't get the favourable treatment that his team of cheats have become used to (we'll see...). I for one am looking forward to Ferrari getting spanked next year!!

He might be better at handling pressure when in the car but his petulant little outbursts when his helmet is off show that he can't cope with pressure at all. But what does Flavs statement mean? Absolutely diddly squat. When alonso has 7 titles then it might but for now he has 2 with not many signs that there will be more. Everyone Slags off Hamilton for being in the headlines with pointless quotes, well flav beats him there, hands down!

How is this test driver worth $8m?? It's not really news, is it? I guess he's got dillusions of getting closer to his teammates 'superstar' wages so he's hardly going to suggest a cut is a good idea. But cutting their salaries to a 'paltry' $2m a year, with win bonuses, would save Ferrari about $22m, that's not an insignificant saving, though not in the same league as bernies bung, and it would go a long way to reducing the head sizes of these premadonna drivers with their over inflated opinions of their self worth. It also might encourage more of them to race for a win, it would be a better way to do it than medals anyway....

Why is this news? Who seriously gives a toss apart from the idiot nobson??

Zykym - did he have to?? No he didn't!!

Energyman - do you really think next years Ferrari will be a championship winning one??? How would you know who's will be the better car, except that Ferrari will have been able to spend that $80 million extra FIA bung money on it's development so it should be that much better than the rest.... They've still the same muppets running the team though.

I like Ferrari's stance on this, hopefully it signals the beginning of the end of the max & bernie era. Now, I might even begin to like the team too if they share out the $400million of extra revenue bungs they've graciously accepted from bernie over the past 5 years.... Come on luca, Put your money where your mouth is

I'm not being funny but how many more times will hamilton be quoted saying the same thing? If you're gonna try and play mind games at least come out with different things, not just the same old 'I can only get better' rubbish... I think he needs to sack his script writer.

Why the constant Brit bashing robson, you're a product of England aren't you? Or is it that your family was deported on a convict ship and they won't let you home?? You're a very bitter little man aren't you.

Well I guess that's our loss and Australias gain then, eh robson?

You saddo Ferrari fans can continue down the path of believing Hamilton was preferred if you like. Don't let the fact that kovi underperformed get in the way of your prime excuse for being beaten. Face facts, Kimi is over paid and over rated - but still the ferrari no.1???

Hey salvano -it's as dull as dishwater you muppet - But don't let your superior French intelect get it the way of some good old Anglo Saxon Brit bashing!!! You cheese eating surrender monkey!

Someone appears to have an over-inflated opinion of themselves I think. He's never going to get a seat unless Honda dramatically back track. There just isn't room in F1 anymore for Rubens. He needs to be sensible and take the WTCC seat.

Poor chap, he's not a looker is he?!

It just occured to me that I posted a comment without slagging off the idiot Nobson. I won't make that mistake again, especially if he's posted his usual rubbish...

Spot on whytep. It's a case of 'do as I say, not as I do' with Max and Bernie (or should it be Max and Paddy??).

Another gem from robson!! Is this kid for real??! Anyway, back on topic..... Dream on Jarno. Even if the Toyota is competitive, which it probably won't be, you're still only a one lap wonder. Always have been, always will be. Oh, and a mobile chicane. Time to join Rubens and David perhaps?

Save your money robson, buy some sweeties instead. I don't know how much pocket money your parents give you but I doubt it's enough to go and see racing with the grown ups.

The right man won, simple as that. Hamilton will get his turn but in an Olympic year with so much British success he was lucky to make the top 3. Robson, as someone who attempts to portray themselves as a wealthy ex pat why do you insist on making the comments of a 2 year old???

I think that if he signs for another team Honda don't need to pay him his £24m retainer for breaking his contract, so it's understandable that he'll stay loyal for next year. The chances of getting a top drive or another high paid seat are slim so he might as well milk Honda for dropping him in it. Good luck to him, but I think this sport has probably passed him by....

Cue the anti Hamilton rampage!!!

Well, what are you all complaining about? He's absolutely right for once, though he maybe could have shown some sympathy for those now out of work. But the reality is that they've always promised lots, spent many millions and delivered nothing. Will we really miss them? No, but the fast boys will certainly miss the mobile chicanery thats for sure!!

They choose refinement over innovation because that's all they're allowed to do. As has already been stated, teams are against innovation because the FIA instantly ban innovative ideas thereby wasting the millions spent on development. With the rewards at stake and the nature of competition what else are the top teams going to do? Has this idiot any idea how contradictory he's being??

Doesn't it seem a little rigged that the number of teams that need to sign up to his magic cure to overspending is 4? The same number as the amount of independant teams with customer engines! He really must believe that everyone but him is stupid.

I agree, this is ripe for Dave Richards to get into the game properly. Honda have alledgedly been developing their 2009 car for most of the past 9 months so they should be ready to go. And Brackley isn't far from prodrive hq or Richards home so it makes perfect sense. Watch this space.....

Formula 1 has never been about costs, longevity and economy before, it's always been about the best of the best and world leading innovation and technology. Why are Max and Bern hell bent on hiding their stupidity under the veil of 'Cost saving initiatives'?? I agree they should cap spending to level the playing field and attract more teams to enter but they should have done that a long time ago before the richest put their development labs and wind tunnels into place. But as long as the FIA continue to make such drastic rule changes all we will lose is the spectacle of F1, not the high spending that is now common amongst the biggest teams as these radical changes are not exactly cheap to implement on a year by year basis. Stability in the rules is the real answer to cost saving, not changing every nut and bolt each year because they got the last set of regulations wrong. And how exactly is a high performance 1.8l turbo charged engine going to be more efficient than a high performance 2.4l normally aspirated engine? Madness!! RIP F1.

I must have been reading a different set of comments to some of you, there aren't that many that actually disagree with Alonso's stance. I think he's right but I will say that talk is cheap and if the FIA go ahead with these moronic ideas it will be interesting to see how many of the teams and drivers will actually put their money where there mouths are and leave. Not many of them I'll bet. Still, it got him back in the headlines for half a day!!

A winning car, yes, that'll do it, plus a spare £20 million for his wage demands and the willingness to pander to his diva like, over inflated ego. Alternatively, he'll stay if there's nowhere better to go, like for next year. Everyone knows where he wants to be and he regards a contract as a worthless piece of paper. If Ferrari have a seat available there'll be nothing fat Flav can do about it!!

"Formula 1 represents the absolute peak of technological innovation and style". Well, it used to until Bernie and Max took control. Now its just a play thing and cash cow for bernie's divorce. I think you've been suckered mate!!

What is it with Mateschitz and his obsession with all things Sebastian?? Looks like the criteria for potential F1 drivers to get a test drive at one of his teams is a little tighter than at other teams? Webbo must be worried too, now that he's out of action one might just slip into his seat...!!

I think it's only fair to expect a little bias as we have a British world champion, but maybe (hopefully) not as much as ITV did.... But if he keeps on winning, performing towards the top or being contraversial then expect this British team of commentators to pay more attention to him than other drivers. If however he does a Button and disappears to the back of the grid (as some of you hope he will) then he will probably get some negative coverage followed by being ignored. We'll just have to wait and see how it pans out. We'll also have to see how good this 'Dream team' of commentators perform. I don't understand the appointment of Legard or the universally loathed Kravitz though...

It's only a test!! A second slower would put him comfortably mid field, maybe even top 10. It would be interesting to see if the Ferrari "hero's" can get within 10 seconds of rossi on a bike. Schumacher has spent the year crashing near the back of the field in german superbikes so leave the guy alone and let him have his fun

sydjed, you're getting obsessed, calm down. Yes it was 1 point. So what, he's still champion and your beloved massa isn't. I don't know if you followed last year but Hamilton won this years championship by the same margin, except kimi won by 1 point from 2 drivers, not 1. Surely that makes kimi the greatest ever 1 point champion?? Loser.

Should suit Robert perfectly, did BMW take design cues from him?

How dare the BRITISH broadcasting company employ a BRITISH commentator that speaks alot about a BRITISH driver (and world champion!). Get a life, he's going to be as impartial as the Brazilian, German, Spanish, Polish, Australian, etc, etc commentators are. As has been said before, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Try the Brazilian or German coverage with subtitles!

only a Ferrari fan or bernie would think this is a good idea. Pure lunacy as usual from the senile dwarf. Any more crackpot ideas like this and he won't need to worry anymore - the teams will walk.... Well, if they've got any sense they will!

Good on him for honouring a contract - not many F1 drivers show that kind of loyalty, but it is definately time to break away from Frank's control if he wants to show the world how good he's hyped up to be. The timing could be good too, if Kovi underperforms again there will be a seat available at McLaren for 2010.....

Yawn...... Don't you poor, bitter Ferrari nutters get tired of banging the same old drum on every single article? Your man lost, get over it and move on. You all look like nothing but a sorry bunch of bad losers, none more so than the usual moaners F1_freak and robson.

WaterDragon - get a grip will you? Think about it without your 'I love Robert' hat on for more than a fraction of a second - he was 2 laps from the end of the championship deciding finale and one lap down. Why should he want to get involved in a championship swinging battle other than to help his mate win the title? He was 11th and destined to finish 11th so why get involved? Everyone knows what he was really up to apart from you and the stewards but no, he was 'racing'. Well, he showed the world how good he really is, don't you think??! What a driver!! In any case, this is all irrelivent, history will show that Lewis is the 2008 world champ, not Fillipe or the polish wannabe.

Yet another pointless, biased statement from the great f1_freak. And why exactly would he want a seat in a Ferrari? They lost the championship as I remember. You, robson and elcrowley need to get over it and get a life.

Kubica should have been thrown out of the championship for driving like a twat. There was no need to do what he did unless he had an alterior motive. It is fairly obvious that overtaking whilst a lap down he was trying to hand massa the title, I hope one day lewis will be able to return the favour, except he'd almost certainly be investigated and docked points if he did.... On the other hand I suppose that he was trying to prove he was a better wet driver?!

Robson, yet again you rant and rant about how lewis and mclaren should have been thrown out of this years championship. THEY WEREN'T so GET OVER IT! Its only you and your boyfriend F1_freak_666 that constantly bang the same old obsessive, anti anything thats not red drum. Time to grow up and shut up boys, Hamilton is champ and there's nothing the FIAsco, ferrari or you 2 idiots can do about!!! Losers.

Hamilton was screwed over by kubica, which led to the vettel pass. LH could probably have held him at bay for 2 laps if it wasn't for the lapped polish halfwit trying to help his mate massa out! Championships are won over a season. Massa proved his critics wrong today but he's not the champion, Hamilton is. Good ending to one of the worst F1 seasons in history.

Poor cry baby fanatics. Now who's clutching onto a conspiracy??! If it hadn't rained then lewis would have been comfortable, as it was timo took a gamble and it didn't work. That's life, get over it and look forward to next year with the no.1 on a mclaren!! What about kubica tho, a lap down but racing lewis and seb? Now that WAS a driver trying to influence the outcome.....

There are so many things wrong with this story - Massa's lack of respect for anybody else is one, the mere suggestion that he has the skill to take Hamilton out without ruining his own race is another. I don't believe Massa is an intentionally dirty driver, he just doesn't possess the skill to race people wheel to wheel. The Japan move was desparation on his part because his title rival had got in front, he was lucky he could continue and that the FIA blinked at the point of contact. Massa is right though in that EJ has had nothing to do with F1 since selling his team except occasional press comments, much the same as Jackie Stewart and this particular statement is nothing but a headline grabbing opinion. Oh, and please stop getting bent out of shape over the 'EJ is a nothing' headline. This is just puttting a spin headline on a statement to get people to read it and is called 'Red Top journalism'. Don't any of you ever read the headlines in some of the daily red top papers??!

Its a common theme, isn't it? No doubt we'll have a quote from Max soon, belittling this guy in the same way he does with Jackie Stewart and the conspiracy theorists... Take a hint Max, NO ONE LIKES YOU (well, apart from Bernie cos you've made him rich)!

kennytime - I think you need to get yourself a nice cup of tea, sit down and put your feet up. Let that blood pressure come down a bit and stop taking every slight against the mighty Ferrari so personally. Yes, the other teams might be in agreement but only Ferrari have been quoted to that effect so far (oh, and toyota have suggested they might too but who cares about them?!). Add that to some peoples hatred of certain teams and you get the comments that you are taking exception to. This is a comments section after all so stop taking yourself so seriously!!

kennytime - get over yourself will you?? Whether you choose to admit it or not, Ferrari have huge clout at the FIA - after all, they signed the 'new concorde agreement' way before all the other teams, effectively stopping the breakaway championship in the process and they are almost always the only team to tow the party line. Not to mention the decisions this year that have 'helped' them out. Believe it or not there are actually some facts behind the conspiracy theories, but you obviously can't see them with your red tinted glasses on.....

If the mighty Ferrari object then that should kill the idea off. If they want to save money there are other ways: I read in the observer at the weekend that ecclestone personally makes £15000 per minute from F1. Get rid of him and that's an easy but not insignificant saving right there. It's TIME FOR A BREAKAWAY SERIES away from the FIAsco and the money grabber.

I don't think I've ever seen a more appropriate name on here than pratoscope!! Come back when you're a little older, have your parents permission and you've learnt to type properly, loser!!! Anyway, back to the topic.... Massa won't take Hamilton out. He's still got to finish 2nd and he didn't quite manage to do that in Japan after sideswiping LH, did he?! Alonso, kubica and kimi on the other hand are probably going to take it in turns!

Read the article, its only a test, not a switch from 2 to 4 wheels. Besides, he actually overtakes people - the FIA would never let that happen!! And like it or not (robson) this is news worthy to lots of people so get off your high horse for once.

ajkfin - where did you read that, ferraripropaganda.com? You should get your facts straight before posting revelations like this! They did indeed add a quarter turn to the front wing, as they did to lewis, but they certainly didn't put max front downforce on his car. I know some people think McMerc are complete idiots but you're suggesting they are complete amateurs!! HK pulled in because he had a brake problem that he'd had for the entire race, and was last after his puncture. So, not then to save an engine that is due to be renewed at Brazil.

1c3mn: No mate, neither I'm afraid. Nor am i (or fluffy i would guess) a kissass. I just like baiting idiots like you!!

Well I guess ferrari have a big pot of money anyway so lets call it charity? Plus they'll be supplying a third less engines so that'll go some way to balancing the cost reduction. Unless of course they cap the cost but the teams keep blowing the units...... Why can't they make the blocks recyclable, that should reduce costs further?

Nice one Andrew, another great satirical look at how the team mates compare . Now lets sit back and wait for the usual suspects to get all out of shape telling you how crap and biased you are.........!

Here's how I understand it. They haven't played the joker in case an engine failed during practice or qualy to avoid a 10 place grid penalty. It didnt so they are left without playing it as they can't in the final race. Some teams (Ferrari being one) played theirs to try and gain an edge at races that have high demands on the engine but would have otherwise been on the 2nd race. This not being able to play it in the final race rule seems a bit unfair but, for once, this was agreed with the teams before the season started. And CooperS, to clarify your question, drivers are able to turn the revs down and LH would have been told to do so by the team. You are right, teams can't change the car from the pit wall during a race anymore.

Maybe it was Brundle that shopped max to the tabloids??! I'm glad he's off to the BBC and I'm especially glad that the FIAsco don't like it. And sydjed, you're a d1ck. Your hatred for McLaren and obsessive love for Ferrari have turned YOU into a ret@rd. All the teams cheat and copy, its a well known fact of F1, only McLaren were dragged over the coals for it because of mosleys hatred of Ron Dennis. All the others get away with it (Ferrari and Renault included) because max doesnt have an agenda against them. Time you took of your Ferrari tinted glasses.

Well, I actually agree with F1_Freak about something! It is time the teams put their money (so to speak) where their mouths are and set up their breakaway series. The muppets at the FIA, guided by mad max and the poison dwarf, have truly lost sight of what differentiates F1 from most other motorsport. They can cut the costs in other ways less detrimental to the ethos of being a pinnacle formula but everything I've seen will kill off F1. Good job there's still MotoGP at the cutting edge.....

No robson, the fact he talks about it is because that's what you do going into the last race to try and psyche the opposition. Its not as if massa and Ferrari haven't been spouting off as well, is it? For someone who claims to have driven F1 you appear to have little or no knowledge of this so called sport. Plus an unhealthy dislike of Hamilton, are you jealous of him by any chance??!

LOL!! No overtake of the race cos backmarkers don't count and that's all LH overtook!! And because they're all too scared in case they get penalized. But I did think Massa deserved it for his daring and cheeky move on his team mate, must have caught KR sleeping or something. Elcrowley - why would it benefit McMerc to have kov in 5th on the grid exactly? A McLaren front row is much better don't you think? That way they can play the same non existent team orders that Ferrari did. But by the look of your post its clear you don't think, do you? Its easier to talk bo11ocks!!

Lets be honest, they all do it. Its just that the last one to be this blatant was Schumi and Rubens in Austria and we know what happened there. And then Kimi very graciously admits it in the PC but not even a sniff from the stupids.... Anyway, its happened so time to move on. Put it down to another chapter in this years Farcical 1 championship....!

Yet another boring procession but a more mature drive from LH got him the win he deserved. I liked Massa's attempt in the press conf to make out his overtake was a great move by him shortly followed by KR saying what we all knew - that he gifted it. Nice try Fillipe, at least you might get the PF1 overtake of the race this time!! Though they'll still give it to Hamilton, LOL!! Anyone expect a stewards enquiry into the obvious Ferrari team orders??

Lets be honest, who's really gonna pay 40 mil for Alonso apart from his biggest fanboy Flavio? Whilst a great driver he's proven to be bad news out of the car. Besides, Honda won't pay that salary as they need that money to develop a car that's not at the back of the grid and the other 2 teams with available seats don't have the budget available. Good to see BMW won't pander to his over inflated opinion of self worth tho, they'd never see a return on the worlds most expensive 0.5 second investment! Having said that I guess there's no harm in asking! LOL!!

Unbelievable!! I thought it was yet another Bernie-ism but now it's announced as a new regulation? Bye bye F1

I thought Renault had a McLaren dossier last year but the FIA let them off because they came clean about it - eventually? Or maybe they let them off because they weren't McLaren, who knows. In any case, this fat, grey, self opinionated, Fernando loving tosspot should just keep his gob shut but then I guess he's never been one to miss a free publicity opportunity. But anyone stupid enough to buy a major stake in QPR deserves to be given no credibility. Oh, I guess that includes Bernie too then?!!

Sorry, I put a couple of flippant, throw away comments in. My main one was sandbagging - a team with Ferrari's resources isn't going to be behind the curve, nomatter what they say. My copy comment was aimed at the fact that all teams do it, even Ferrari (shock horror) but McMerc were the only ones unlucky enough to be caught good and proper and royally screwed because of it where as the others appear to get away with it.

They're probably waiting to see which teams system works best so they can copy it! Either that or they know something the others don't, like the FIA binning the idea because it's expensive and goes against Max's ideals of cost saving... Oh wait, this was also a Max brainwave, so they'll have to do it. Seriously, I doubt they're that far behind the others, Ferrari are a win at any costs team so this is almost certainly a sandbagging statement.

More pearls of anti Hamilton wisdom from dark defender and sydjed. Heaven forbid anyone dare write anything slightly pro the golden boy or against the red team!! I think mark blunder is entitled to his opinion as are the rest of us. Its just good that someone with some practical knowledge has come out with what the majority of RACING fans already know - that the FIA appear to be hell bent on ruining this years championship.

Great article, a clear indication of how the' vendetta against McLaren by the FIA has ruined this years championship again. And perfect bait for the Ferrari fanatics that can't see beyond their Ferrari tinted glasses. Sit back and reel em in!!

The whinging spaniard just can't help himself. Whats the matter with him, not enough collumn inches? He so desparately wants that Ferrari drive doesnt he??!! He should take his 2 gifted wins and just disappear back into mid table mediocrity. Great driver but talks too much bo11ocks.

Well Dereks, I guess as an anti Hamilton/McLaren, pro Ferrari nut I should have expected that. What amazes me though is that the same people write the same rubbish comments race after race. Why? Why bother reading it? Why waste your time reading and commenting if it winds you up so much? Maybe I'm not the 'lame brain' after all??! I see it as a light hearted take on another poor F1 debacle but now with the comments section its even funnier!! Oh, and sydjed, I don't think they give overtake of the race to drivers that leave the track, like massa did on webber. Unless you're lewis Hamilton of course! Or the FIA is nominating the award......

To suggest that Massa hit him deliberately suggests that he has the intelligence to think quickly. He rammed Lewis because he's NOT intelligent enough to think quickly. That move could have ended both their races so I don't think it was a deliberate act. However, the aftermath of it is another clear indication of steward stupidity and inpartiality. If there's no conspiracy why doesnt Max do something to suggest otherwise, other than call all the theorists 'numbskulls'?

LOL!! Anyone ever think that AD might always pick LH for overtake of the race to WIND YOU SAD BUNCH OF LOSERS UP??!!

so you're a Hamilton fan then junaidfiaz??! You forgot to add that you hope Massa qualifies in pole position cos he can't win if he doesn't (Hungary excepted). If he's not on pole he'll have to race and not just test drive into the distance and we all know how good he is at that!

It's funny how Ferrari fans say there's no FIA bias but harp on about how Massa's team have cost him points when he's clearly made enough of his own mistakes. It cuts both ways mate and its time you took your head out of your backside before you go the same colour as your beloved scarlett FIArrari.

Sydjed - Erm, I don't think so. Actually none of them have been that consistent really (much like the stewards!), apart from maybe Kimi consistently underperforming. But Lewis is leading so by default must have been more consistent than the others? And I don't need to hear about others team and mechanical failings, the FIA have levelled that out for us! Personally I've not been that impressed by any of them really but at least this way we have had lots of different drivers winning.

You all need to let go of the 'if his engine hadn't failed' and 'his pit crew have cost him X points' excuses, it makes no odds and is just a pathetic way of belittling Hamiltons efforts. The one with the most points wins the championship, whether you think he deserves it or not. The fact that Ross Brawn has come out with this is because a journo asked him the question, not because he feels so strongly about it he had to tell the world. I believe he's also a Hamilton admirer. Anyway, if you read the whole BBC article it was quoted from you'd understand that RB is in a minority.

Some great and valid points have been made and its nice to see people agreeing with each other for once!! Methinks it's time for the teams to form that breakaway series they've been threatening, before the lunatics in charge impose this ridiculous idea (as they no doubt will). Their constant fiddling has made this once great sport the laughing stock of motorsport worldwide and is the sole reason teams withdraw through lack of funds. Still, they've made a few quid along the way, maybe they should be funding all future rule change implementation?

Any one else notice what model car was on the shelf behind him in the BBC interview??! Costs are high because they keep on changing the rules and the teams have to continually redesign. Some more stability would make it easier to control the costs and put a cap on spending. Anyway, is it really a credible grid now with the 20 cars they have?? If they lost the bottom 2 teams who would really notice a change?

I actually didnt bring race into it, and never will, it was your insinuation but hey ho. My main gripe is when people post comments on the PF1 satirical and round up articles claiming LH bias, etc, which was how your post read. I can't see why people bother as it appears they'll never be happy. I also get tired of the pro red/ anti competitive racing/ anti Hamilton and mclaren brigade of which I thought you were one. If I made that mistake then apologies and I'll get back to flaming those that deserve it!!! I'll also stop writing comments on an iPhone as its not easy to re read what you put....!

Trouble is that Torro Rosso can't afford his huge salary demands whereas Honda and Renault can. Plus TR are up for sale aren't they? He's best off staying at Renault as they pander to his diva like requirements better than anyone else and get the best out of him as a result. I hope he can get in amongst it again, take some valuable points away from the scuds!! I think its unlikely tho....

I guess you've had a sense of humour bypass. I'm not an apologist but I'm baffled that you, like so many others endlessly criticise this site for its writing but continue to comment on it!! I don't always like what they write but I'm not stupid enough to get upset by the way they write it. You won't change it so why botherunless you just like whinging? I'll ignore your attempt to make me out to be a racist. That's just desperate.

To F1GPIndia, I have another one specifically for you - Why do you bother reading PF1? Is it a) to compain about Hamilton bias on PF1?, b) to state continually that the Singapore track WAS good, even though everyone else knows that without the safety car it would have been boring, c) declare your undieing love for Massa and all things Ferrari, or d) all of the above? Get off your soapbox will you? I for one am sick of reading your anti PF1/Hamilton/McLaren diatribe, every post you come up with the same rubbish. All this anger can't be good for your blood pressure so why not stay away from this clearly inaccurate website?

Everyone moans that Lewis has a big gob (which he does) but this guy can show him a thing or two in making unsportsmanlike comments. Did he not see the numerous other occasions where Kimi used the run off areas at Spa to his advantage, or did he only see the one where his over paid 'star' driver stuffed it into the wall again??! Luca DiMontezememoan is beginning to sound like a poor loser, I now know where all the fanatics get it from! Oh, F1_FREAK_666, is this photo more acceptable to you? Not too pro McLaren or Hamilton I hope??!

"in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king". It's really quite funny that all the Ferrari fanatics think Massa is the fastest man out there. Vice verse for the Hamilton fanatics. The truth is that, apart from 1 overtake in Hungary, Massa only wins if he leads from the off, just as a good test driver should. He simply can't race. Hamilton likes the sound of his own voice admittedly, this article is yet another example of it. However, when in the car he wants to win and always races to win, just like the whinging spaniard. You just can't say the same about the 2 ferrari drivers. Unfortunately the majority of F1 followers want racing, not boring processions, and whether you like it or not Hamilton and Alonso are the only racers out there.

No, massa got the penalty in Singapore for an unsafe release, not for gaining advantage. The same unsafe release as Valencia but because it wouldn't effect the end result a drive through was given instead of the usual, token gesture, pocket money fine. That way the FIAt look 'consistent'. The trouble with you Ferrari fanatics is you only see things through red glasses - you will spin anything to suit your arguments!

Massa will deserve the title if he eventually wins it. But if he doesn't win then he doesn't deserve it, plain and simple, end of story. I really can't understand why so many people have this biased opinion of Massa, who is really nothing better than a test driver. It's widely known that Ferrari have the best car on the grid and the biggest budget, still they get it very wrong but somehow deserve to win more than anyone else? For as long as this team keep pressing the self destruct button there will be little Massa can do about it, other than hope the FIA step in again. But aside from the team mistakes he has had his own fair share of mess ups too this season (first 3 races of the year, Silverstone, Hungary, an anonymous Spa, etc) so to say he's the one that deserves it most is just plain old biased opinion from the usual suspects. The guy at the top has the most points, and it's not Massa or Ferrari so get over it!!

All AD has to do is mention LH in this section and you Ferrari/Alonso fans slate him for being biased? Sometimes it is a little over the top but it's the same after every race so why do you all bother reading PF1? I'm guessing that it's so that you can spout anti Hamilton/McLaren vitriol and accuse Andy Davies of showing this immense bias!! Why not take the advice given below and mooch off to the Ferrari loving F1.com. Losers!!

Sorry but who really gives a toss? There's no points for the fastest lap as far as I know so it really makes no odds that he set another fastest lap. He failed to finish a race AGAIN, that's what counts isn't it??!! What a great WDC he's been - not! He'd make a good test driver tho, just like Massa....! LOL!!

Great lap by Massa, he certainly seems to adapt to the new tracks better than most, but this track looks all set for yet another boring procession with little chance of any racing. Still, I'm sure Bernie is making lots of dosh out of it so that makes it OK. I guess that's all that's left of F1 now that championships are decided by the FIA beaurcrats. I actually hope that Hamilton overtakes Massa on the first corner so that we can look forward to some more anti-Hamilton spewings on the comments section of PF1 by the fanatics about how crap a driver Hamilton is, yadda, yadda, yadda. It's really the only chance of any form of excitement from todays 'race'....

Hey F1_freak. You and buffy should apply to the FIA for work as stewards, you're just the guys they're looking for. You're biased, have no knowledge of F1 and clearly don't like racing, especially if the red team lose. Perfect!! That way you'll be able to realise your dream of Ferrari paying your wages!! Lewis and whitmarsh are gobby idiots but you both have them pegged!!

Buffy - "Tainted championship, illegal engine development, blah, blah, blah". What you Ferrari nuts will come out with when you're not winning is staggering! The engine development is FROZEN, fact, and it's monitored closely by the biggest anti McLaren group of the lot, the FIA, so do you really think that they have 30bhp more from engine development and that they'd get away with it if they did? I'm surprised noone has mentioned the McLaren supplied ECU's. Aerodynamic and external engine changes are allowed and that is where their improvements have come from. You can't always blame Ferrari's lack of improvement on their competitors 'cheating', although maybe the FIA are letting them get away with it so that they can strip them of the title and hit them with a big fine at the end of the season??!

How to win friends and influence people..... There's no denying the guys got supreme talent behind the wheel but someone really needs to surgecally remove his vocal chords as I'm getting sick of his 'I love myself, aren't I great' attitude. I guess tho that the press love quoting him so he'll keep on spouting these gems. I suppose its no wonder the FIA have it in for him!

You guys make me laugh. I hope he does win it so I get to read some more biased pearls of wisdom!! Oh, and to stick it up Massa who would otherwise be the most BORING, undeserving WDC in history....!

DarkDefender. Stating Ferrari have a car that doesn't perform in the wet, as have a couple of others, is a little bit lame don't you think?? I'm not sure that any F1 car is designed to perform well in the wet so when it does rain (and one of lifes certainties is that it will rain somewhen, especially this year) it picks out those that can drive in the wet from those that can't. Both Ferrari drivers are rubbish in the wet - it's a fact so accept it and move on. Kimi was no better in a Maclaren, apparantly the best wet car on the grid, if you needed further proof. Besides, last years MM car was alledgedly a silver Ferrari and Hamilton still managed to drive it better in the wet!! I absolutely agree that Hamilton is a tw@t outside the car but why do you Ferrari fanatics struggle to admit he has a certain talent behind the wheel?

Err, Ferarri very rarely get given points deductions do they. They usually just get given fines that the best budgetted team in F1 can easily afford. Apart from the Lewis die hards, alot of the conspiracy theorists on this site just want fair racing and are against the punishment because it was unfair in the circumstances. Since Monza everyone is a little more clear of the rule but on the day Maclaren tried to get clarification from the race director, who said it was OK, only to be overturned by Max's henchman. What's any right minded person supposed to think?? Ferrari get away with alot, Maclaren do not - favouritism or not??! Recent history certainly points to it. I for one hope they overturn the decision, not because it hands the self proclaimed god of F1 4 more points but because the decision and penalty were unjust and against the spirit of racing. As for 'doing his talking on the track and not in the courtroom', didn't you know that's the only way the championships are won these days??!

No Robb, he drives like someone trying to win a world championship, not just make up the numbers. There was nothing wrong with his move on F1's biggest gob sh1te and perenial underachiever, which can't be said about the move Webber tried back at turn 1. And for those of you stupid enough to think the Torro Rosso is a Minardi, it has as much in common with a Minardi as my wifes ford focus. Its last years Red Bull (so nothing to do with Newey either). Its a shame that so many readers of PF1, like the FIA, don't like racing but instead prefer to see the usual 'safe' processions by those overpaid pre madonnas that are todays F1's drivers and I include Hamilton off the race track in that. Moto GP has had its boring races too but at least they are allowed (and want) to race each other without whinging about it!!

Some of you must be allergic to racing!! The only one on the track that wasn't just relying on pit stop strategy to overtake was Hamilton and still you slag him off! Vettel drove a great race but the benefit of a clear track at the start helped alot with that. Massa started and finished 6th, kimi might just as well stayed in bed. Like it or not Hamilton is good for the SPORT, if that's what you call it. Boring processions are not

And hes never broken the rules? What a shame kimi doesn't follow his own mantra. I'm not convinced that he didnt orchestrate the penalty anyway - he knew he was beat so didnt defend the position and braked early. Everyone says he has a good racing brain so its not that far fetched. And had there been a wall at the chicane, as he and many of the fanatics have come out with,he would still have punted lewis into it, probably taking them both out. What a stupid statement to make! Its not as if he didnt take advantage of any of the run offs, is it??!

You can't blame Massa for the stewards decision, he's just the beneficiary. Its just that it looks like all he needs to do is follow hamilton and the stewards will do the rest! And if he breaks the rules, who cares, he'll just get a pocket money fine with no point deductions. By being safe and boring its all he needs to do - as long as it doesn't rain that is...!

So spdguru, did Kimi not leave the track during the race? If you watch the in car footage you will see lewis go off followed by kimi, but where lewis rejoins as soon as he can kimi stays on the run off until after the corner enabling him to carry more speed. Is this not gaining an advantage? Just because he didnt use it to overtake straight away doesn't make it any more legal than the move at the bus stop. As for overtaking on yellows, kimi can do that too because lewis wasn't fully on track. The fact he couldn't get onto the track because a Ferrari was illegally overtaking is irrelevant. You, like so many biased Ferrari fans and stewards, seem unable to apply common sense or be impartial. Pat symonds is the first sensible person to be quoted so far. I for one think he's spot on.

I suggest some of you watch the in car footage on youtube, anyone that likes the sport in general (not just as long as a red car wins) would give Mclaren the benefit of the doubt UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES & CONDITIONS they were racing in. Mclaren sought clarification from the most senior official and he told them it was "okay". Why would they then need to think "oh, but just in case we'll let Kimi past one more time"? No one in their right mind should have to doubt the race directors opinion. Whitings credibility is in tatters. Time to pension him (and the other OAP's Max & Bernie) off!!

Mclaren can't win this appeal because the stewards were clever enough to give a penalty that can't be appealed, regardless of the injustice. They, like all the fanatical Ferrari fans don't want to apply common sense to the argument - that Lewis was much faster in the conditions, would have taken Kimi anyway, who would have still binned it trying to catch Lewis.If they did they'd have to admit that the better driver won in a car that wasn't red. Instead they do more damage to an already seriously crippled sport. Mclaren seem to be the enemy now, when Alonso was winning it was Renault. When will the red 'win at any price' brigade take off their blinkers and see what the rest of the world can - that the FIA favour Ferrari. This 'sport' is a total joke.