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finolait
Posted 13/11/2008 @ 20:18 View all finolait's posts

philtypr - If you did not watch the race, you can get the highlights at www.formula1.com When Hamilton came out of the first pit stops after changing to dry tyres, he was 7th. He had to overtake Fisichela and Trulli to get back to 5th position. The pass on Fisichela was calculated and well executed, but on the other hand, Vettel sneaked past when Hamilton ran a little wide while allowing Kubica to unlap himself. As for the star of the race, I guess you got a point there. Massa was the star. But then Hamilton won the championship, and it is all that matters now.

salvano
Posted 12/11/2008 @ 22:59 View all salvano's posts

Bannor, here is my explanation: You write: "1 full lap down on the leaders". OK,but only 2 positions behind Trulli(remember:Toyota, dry tyres, like Glock)who finished +68.4 secs behind Massa, so Kubica was not so far behind Trulli! And you have seen how fast was Kubica (http://www.mototube.pl/film/1217/kubica-i-vettel-wyprzedzaja-hamiltona-gp-brazylii-2008/), and as you know 1 point more(Trulli's position), and he had third place in 2008! And it was rain conditions, everything can happen! Anyway it's a race, and you can see(link) that when start rainning, Hamilton and even Vettel were to slow for him! Don't forget, that from the beginning of the rain he gain 4 places(he was 15th)!

philtypr
Posted 12/11/2008 @ 17:12 View all philtypr's posts

How did Hamilton get star of the race? what exactly did he do to Merit this? started 3rd, finished 5th...just, thanks to a guy on the wrong tyres, overtaken by Vettel in a T/R surley Hamilton knew that loosing that place could be the difference to winning or loosing the championship yet he wobbled around the track like a new boy,.. if anyone deserves the star of the race its got to be Vettel, and 5 overtaking moves?? who did he overtake to get these lets hope we have a less biased report next season

jarawa
Posted 12/11/2008 @ 10:49 View all jarawa's posts

To Bannor: Are you such an idiot or you are pretending? Kubica was fighting for a third place in final championship standings not in this particular race. What a question was that!

Bannor
Posted 11/11/2008 @ 18:46 View all Bannor's posts

Salvano Please explain: "And Kubica was fighting with Raikkonen for the third place." The official results show Kubica finished in 11th position - 1 full lap down on the leaders. (http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2008/804/). How exactly was he racing for 'third position' 2 laps from the end of the race?

salvano
Posted 11/11/2008 @ 12:44 View all salvano's posts

Mr. Andrew Davies write:...Kubica would have known that Vettel and Hamilton were duelling for position... You call that a duel?! Hamilton had a difficulties to keep his car on the grid, and he was not "pushing" like Kubica or Vettel!And how fast was Kubica you can see here: http://www.mototube.pl/film/1217/kubica-i-vettel-wyprzedzaja-hamiltona-gp-brazylii-2008/ Don't forget, that in the rain conditions everything is possible!!! And Kubica was fighting with Raikkonen for the third place. Hamilton did a mistake and was to slow(watch the link), so what he should do(Kubica)? Stop his car,have a coffe and some whisky with a cigarette and wait until the end of the race to not "disturb" your MASTER on the grid? That's the race,not a video-game! Better ask Hamilton what he would do in the same situation,I don't need to ask him because I'm sure ,I know the answer,and his answer would be ok. for me!!!

monter
Posted 11/11/2008 @ 07:22 View all monter's posts

It is clear that Hamilton after too zjechaniu track lost a little speed ... imagine that at that moment Kubica stops and waits for Hamilton again rozpędzi and go?

zmahecic
Posted 11/11/2008 @ 00:14 View all zmahecic's posts

Ok, let's try to put it other way around. Massa was trying to defend position and the championship from Vettel. Suddenly some arrogant Hamilton decided to unlap himself which resulted in Massa slowing more then necessary, loosing momentum and the best line through the turn, Vetttel overtaking and Massa loosing the chance to win the title. What would be the judgment of many Massa's supporters and even more what would be the FIA's judgment? Is it really hard to guess? And I must have watched different championship because I can't really think of any case of penalizing Massa for the benefit of Hamilton unless some of you think about Japan. For deliberate crash to Massa Hamilton would have been black flagged immediately, I suspect strongly, and 64 $ question is: in hypothetical Hamilton-Bourdais case would Bourdais got the penalty!?

valiant
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 22:36 View all valiant's posts

I understand that Andrew Davies supports his compatriot Hamilton. But this article shows Andrew is not objective. He wanted other drivers to give way Hamilton because the latter one still had the chance to become the Champion. Andrew, how would you describe this kind of racing? One star and 19 losers ? Following this kind of thinking we should ask Kubica to stop the car after 20 laps. Why? Because he had lost the chance for achieving a good result before the race started. We all know that BMW has done a lot to deprive Robert of the third place in this year F1 ranking.

mazzy
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 21:54 View all mazzy's posts

Watch this before blame Kubica !!!!!! http://www.mototube.pl/film/1217/kubica-i-vettel-wyprzedzaja-hamiltona-gp-brazylii-2008/ Regards

JeanAlesi
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 17:21 View all JeanAlesi's posts

The comments on Hamilton do not surprise me, everyone in England is on the heat of the moment and, after all, he really did a great season and shouldn't be disregarded for doing a weak race at the very end - nobody can say that Hamilton is someone who give up fighting for the lead after what we saw in Monaco and Germany. What is really weird is saying that Button, as Hamilton and Alonso, is a driver that "wants a team-mate he knows he can beat". How can someone say that after a season where Barrichello was in fact the one that beat his team mate? He had far more points than Button, he started in front of him more times, and he did a brilliant drive in Silverstone showing that he's still one of the best drivers in wet conditions. I would not say Andrew is "english-biased" after reading his comments on Hamilton. Hamilton did a great season and deserves all praises. But it's hard to say there's impartiality when he talks about Jenson.

tim_azzuri
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 16:10 View all tim_azzuri's posts

Dear Andrew Daviers, Wow... I didn't know you are so angry with Kubica just because he unlapped himself....hehe...the worst part of this incredibly pathetic article is that u claiming that Kubica's move put lewis wide....kubica passed hamilton way before the braking point of the corner... hamiltons just a fool when he's under pressure... if he was really the aggresive ass u claim he is he would have passed Vettel(who drives a wayyyyy slower car)...

Vaeryn
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 13:07 View all Vaeryn's posts

Re: jgregor Well, that's quite simple, his idol (that's British portal, right?) sweeeet Hamilton (hehe) was actually soo luucky (what was that, 3 seconds before the finish?) he won that championship that... It almost made Andrew **** his pants, heh. And who he blames? Kubica, because he was just trying to race. Act of stupidity is what he wrote here. 3 blue flags ignored - halooo??!! If he ignored he'd be penalised - there was no blue flag when he left Hamilton behind. Wear some glasses "specialist". Blue flag is something used from time to time not something hanging somewhere above race track for an hour. Other thing is about who is allowed to overtake who - that's a race man! Thinking like you they could have stopped it 10 laps before. Use your brain and do not discredit yourself because what you wrote was an actual act of stupidity.

judzik
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 11:45 View all judzik's posts

Andrew is British so it's normal that Hamilton is a Star of the Race, he's the best and Alonso, Kubica and Ferrari are bad. His opinions are not objective and we shouldn't take it seriously.

jgregor
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 11:15 View all jgregor's posts

Why penalise Kubica? Is there a rule against unlapping yourself if you are that much quicker? I thought it was fair even though it nearly cost Hamilton. True, it did not get Kubica anywhere, but so what? Is that to be the criteria for whether people are allowed to race or not? Let's not be needlessly penalising every driver that gets anywhere near Hamilton the way was done for Massa on some occasions this year. It takes away from their achievements.

Stefano
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 11:08 View all Stefano's posts

Im sorry Hamilton as star of the race? yes he may be world champion but only through shere luck he really cocked it up at the end. Massa got pole fastest lap and the race win he is star of the race! I really dont understand how you ever got this job Andrew your clearly not cut out for it

Krzysztof_B
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 09:49 View all Krzysztof_B's posts

Andrew you are totaly uncompetent i...ot. Beter write about popcorn or wite mouses. Mayby you will be more successfull.

bombelek
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 09:22 View all bombelek's posts

Dear Mr. Andrew Davies... If you must lay your anger on paper, stay clear of your private statement. I'm shocked with your words about Robert Kubica's race. I my opinion, someone who is a journalist like you, must be out of emotions and words like you used in your article. If you are so smart, please go with your memory to the year 1995, when my big idol and your country-mate, great driver Damon Hill made most "mistakeus" season in his career... Every British newspaper wrote that "Damon has no luck" or "This was Schumachers' fault" or something else... Nobody's perfect... But next year was his most successful. Everyone forgot his lost chances and desperate collision with Michael on British GP In my opinion, the most stupid thing that has happened this year, was Hamiltons' "mistake" on Canadian GP. How he could be so blind... But he was, and no-one from British official services about F1 wrote any word of criticism to him... "THAT WAS ACCIDENT" Robert's shown his talent and consistency. Maybe final races was not good as we could wish for, but he is a great driver, and I wish everyone from the grid to take same successful season. Every driver has his car, but every car is different. Maybe not same good like it was at the first part of season... Points says everything... And for us, final fourth position is great and we are very proud of him. He is our hero!

bidonkiller
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 08:18 View all bidonkiller's posts

All the fuss about Kubica is just a non-sense illusion of the editors. Most of the fans know that if only Robert had a hold of a better car he would easily defeat not only Kimi but Lewis and Felipe as well just as he used to do in karting series. It's funny but some people just cannot see the truth and were it lies on the track...

CanadianFan
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 06:36 View all CanadianFan's posts

To all of you who think that Hamilton was named Star of the Race, please check your statistics! As of China, Hamilton had 5 "stars" and Massa 3, now Hamilton still has 5 stars and Massa 4, so that means MASSA was counted as the star of Brazil! Please stop all the Hamilton bashing etc and get your facts straigt. True, it would have been nicer to actually name the star of the race, instead of needing detective work to figure it out!!! Please P-F1, add this little tidbit to your articles from now on!!

ucfbeta
Posted 10/11/2008 @ 04:10 View all ucfbeta's posts

Andrew my friend, somebody must have spiked your drink or you weren't watching the same race I was if you think Hamilton was the star of the race.. tsk, tsk.. Massa, Alonso or Vettel I could understand.. but finishing fifth to win the world title does not make you the star of the race.. World Champion, yes, Star of the Race, I don't think so. And I second what pp_br_uk said about Barrichello having the measure of Button this season. Perhaps Button wants Rubens around because he pushes him on, gets along great with him, or helps with the development and set up of the car, but to suggest he wants him around because he can easily beat him is an absurd suggestion. May I suggest drinking in moderation and abstaining from controlled subtances when watching / reviewing F1 races. :)

Howee
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 23:37 View all Howee's posts

WaterDragon - get a grip will you? Think about it without your 'I love Robert' hat on for more than a fraction of a second - he was 2 laps from the end of the championship deciding finale and one lap down. Why should he want to get involved in a championship swinging battle other than to help his mate win the title? He was 11th and destined to finish 11th so why get involved? Everyone knows what he was really up to apart from you and the stewards but no, he was 'racing'. Well, he showed the world how good he really is, don't you think??! What a driver!! In any case, this is all irrelivent, history will show that Lewis is the 2008 world champ, not Fillipe or the polish wannabe.

Jabari
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 21:03 View all Jabari's posts

It's obvious that Kubica, in his bitter and twisted state, was trying to rob Hamilton of the title. He was 1 lap down with 2 laps to go for goodness sake! Hamilton won the WDC even though Massa had 20 team mates. Hoorah!

poledancer
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 20:46 View all poledancer's posts

So you think Kubica did wrong to unlap himself when he was behind two slower drivers? Doing so actually constituted RACING, which you guys claim to support. I wonder if the fact that your boy Hamilton was in the middle of this had something to do with your opinion? F1Planet used to be entertaining back in the days before you guys lost all objectivity in face of Hamilton. The Star of the Race? Are you shitting me? The guy almost lost the championship AGAIN, losing a position to a Toro Rosso in the rain, driver by a younger guy with less experience. Massa dominated everyone this weekend, but you guys are either stupid and don't see that, or just totally biased. So which one is it?

Medhatter
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 20:00 View all Medhatter's posts

Oh yeah, mamo159 - keep your knickers on, Hamilton didn't get star of the race; Massa did

Medhatter
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 19:57 View all Medhatter's posts

Kubica could've done the very same move at any other race this season and no-one would've blinked an eye, this is racing, they're there to race, if you want to win the championship then you need to be prepared to fight every step of the way - even if that means watching out for people unlapping themselves. If Hamilton/McLaren had done a better job on Sunday then they wouldn't have found themselves in that situation. I agree there wasn't much sense in Kubica doing what he did, but like I said, they're there to race, saying he needs to be punished is taking the p#ss.

WhiskyOnRocks
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 18:45 View all WhiskyOnRocks's posts

Mamo159 and WaterDragon I agree with you at 100%. The author of this article is clearly pro Hamilton and has a biased mindset. Kubica had all the rights in the world to do what he did. How come you don't talk about Hamilton doing the same thing to Alonso in Japan? I just hope that Kubica, Alonso and Vettel have better cars next year so they can kick Hamilton's ass. Anyways he won't be so lucky next year because Ferrari will improve their reliability. One last thought....Hamilton being the star of the race? Give me a break. How about Massa's perfect race? Thank and have a great day!

feenux
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 18:31 View all feenux's posts

No point in arguing here guys.. Mr Davies writes the articles, so what he says is the truth. Now for the next whole year we'll have to go caroling for lewis if Andy gets his way.. No matter what we think it doesn't matter.. What andy thinks is what the truth is ;) hahaha!

mgszymanski
Posted 09/11/2008 @ 18:21 View all mgszymanski's posts

keep worshiping your mighty Lewis. Next season you will see him falling down. Although he is e briliant driver he will not become a legend like Senna or Schumacher. He will end more like Vileneuve.

WaterDragon
Posted 08/11/2008 @ 23:31 View all WaterDragon's posts

About Kubica - B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. Race is not over until flag, and so did Kubica - racing to the very end, like real driver. Also try to remember Hamilton/Alonso on Fuji and then scream. If Kubica need to be punished so is Hamilton, and then championship is for Massa? Do You realy think so, or maybe You are only a little british hipocrite?

pp_br_uk
Posted 08/11/2008 @ 21:33 View all pp_br_uk's posts

"Button wants Honda to keep Barrichello, so the main contracted driver likes to know he has a team-mate that he can beat." What a ridiculous comment. By your own accounts, it was a tie this year. By every other measure, Rubens beat Jason by a long shot this season. Button has always been the that could have been but has never shown anything to justify it. Button should be worried, not because he can beat Rubens, but because a young driver full of motivation might show him up by a mile. It wouldn't take much.

mamo159
Posted 08/11/2008 @ 17:23 View all mamo159's posts

hamilton star of the race??? never was like a star... massa and alonso much worthy to be the star